RE: [ET2] the "talking cure"

Thanks for your comments, Sylvia!

This topic has really got me thinking and remembering a lot of things. I
remember how frustrated I felt in graduate school because it didn't seem to
me that we were learning how to really, concretely, help people. I remember
sitting through numerous group therapy sessions in which my co-therapist
felt that people had to "get it all out" in order to get better----but in my
opinion the clients were just "getting it all out" over and over again
without any resolution. I remember seeing a medical patient for the first
time and starting right off with ET techniques, and after 20 minutes she
stated that she was amazed how much better she felt having talked about her
problems----but the funny thing is that we had NOT talked about her problems
at all! I have been thinking about some of the latest research in the field
of emotional intelligence which talks a lot about "resonance". I have also
been thinking about the old proverb "laughter is the best medicine" and the
newer quote from Carl Beuchner "they may forget what you said, but they will
never forget how you made them feel". And so on......

The idea that certain "master therapists" like Satir or Erikson were
actually moving energy around rather than just talking makes perfect sense
to me, and clears up a lot of questions I've been carrying around for a long
time.

Thanks again!

Liz

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Liz Moseley wrote:
> Hello Silvia and all,
>
> There is something I would just like to check out here. I'm sure
> we're all aware of situations in which people talk and talk and talk
> about a problem, with the final result that they become quite
> expressive and eloquent about their problem, but they don't ever
> really seem to get beyond it. In other words, "talking it out" doesn't
really solve, resolve, or dissolve anything.
> On the other hand, there are situations in which people DO seem to
> "talk it out" and feel much better afterwards and even see the whole
> thing very differently at the end of it all.
>
> I was thinking about this phenomenon because several times now, people
> have commented to me that they felt so much better about talking over
> their troubles AFTER having gone through an ET session first. This
> seems to indicate that "talking it out" after the channel has been
> cleared is most liberating and productive indeed, while "talking it
> out" while the blockage remains firmly in place is simply stirring the
> bubbling emotional stew round and around.
>
> This brings up some interesting questions. Is it possible that
> sometimes people who know nothing about ET can have a kind of
> spontaneous clearing of the channel, without going through the actual
> ET technique, and then if they "talk it out" right away, they feel
> great and things click into place for them? And then there are people
> who go through years of therapy but never seem to feel like their life
> has changed for the better, and it's not because they are unmotivated
> or the therapist is a crackpot, but they simply have a blockage in the
energy system. Right?
>
> What do you think?
>
> ???
>
> Liz
>

I think you're right.

I think that talking has a great many layers to it, and that if you get
someone who can talk on the multi-level (like Milton Erickson was accused of
doing!) that they can snake charm the kundalini in a person's energy system
for the want of a better metaphor - LOL!

Further I would put this to open discussion - I bet a lot of the trancers
have already engaged in the "talking cure" here.

Some random person: "I have a huge burden of guilt ..."

Trancer: "Aaah yes ... I remember how good it feels when it begins to flow
... AWAY ... NOW ... "

When you then switch on the video and play that sequence back, you see the
random person gesturing to their shoulders and head, and the trancer as they
reply doing the undoing gestures in time to their words AND ENERGY.

Just before I got side tracked into EFT in 1998, I was re-modeling Virginia
Satir for her usage of energy, because just by analysing her "words" and
string them together, you do NOT get the "Satir" effect.

Nor do you get the Erickson effect by simply growling like a mad dog!

Virginia, "the world's greatest family therapist" or you could say, the
world's most successful complex energetic relationships doctor (!), was
"speaking" in a certain way, but that was the tip of the iceberg of an
integrated activity that involved CONSTANT physical movement of people's
ereas, blockages, ties, injuries and then some - at the baseline and the
center of the activity.

The problem with the talking cures has happened because there are SOME
people who can work with energy in the first place, and they get very good
at it and get results, and then a bunch of muppets come along with a TAPE
RECORDER and WRITE DOWN the words they say - which isn't the whole story.

Then they went off and taught the "words" minus the underlying energy to a
whole heap of other people and of course it doesn't work anymore!

I would say that ANYONE who does Emotrance for a while with other people in
a therapy setting, will begin to be able to, for example, ASK QUESTIONS IN
SUCH A WAY that when the person answers, their troubles really DO pour out
and a cleansing takes place in the process.

But I guess I could write ANOTHER three books about this if I wasn't
careful.

At the baseline what you've observed there is completely correct. What we
have to do is to match the energy to the words we say and the movements we
make to the state we're in and the one we're after - congruency, or the
human totality ACTING IN ACCORD and all together.

When that happens, therapy works - and so many other things besides.

SFX

Silvia Hartmann
http://SilviaHartmann.com

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