Re: [ET2] Skills Transmission...

Hello Silvia!

Thanks for the answer. Helps me understand your "stuff" better. I
know it's not a sales technique, otherwise, you would operate
differently...

I was just telling you the effect it has on me.

I muscle tested and holy shit! It was know and than I played (I know
we're not supposed to test the future) but it tested a bit more than
10 yrs of preparation sighs!

That's ok, I'm still very young, so I guess I'll get there anyway.

I like the part where you said you hurt yourselves while doing magic.
Cause RB doesn't seem that healthy... so I guess the system could be
improved and I appreciate that you acknowledge his pioneering efforts
as most people in the field of NLP seem to think he's crazy (those
who never trained with him).

Very enlightening message!

Magickman in the future

--- In emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com, "StarFields" <starfields_at_b...>
wrote:
> > Hello Silvia!
> >
> > BTW, tell me if I'm too curious.
>
> Very motivated. That is a good thing.
>
> >
> > In a response you wrote that what he does (RB) is rudimentary
> > compared to something else that is simpler.
> >
> > First, what does he do. I mean, ok he's doing energy
> > manipulation,
> > but what type. He's not just spinning chakras or
> > fluffing chakras (I
> > experienced those and it's reaalll different).##
>
> Ok. Look. Think of the entire human energy system as an
> information processing and storage device of an order that would
> make all your bits spin like helicopter blades. Only faster.
>
> It is n-complex and multiordinate in nature, and it is designed to
> interact with *everything* in a give-and-take flow situation.
>
> Now, let's say you wanted to change this supercomputer.
>
> You would of course use the requisite mirror systems in your own
> structure to accomplish that. For this to occur, you'd have to
> link up your system with theirs.
>
> Now, this clearly cannot be done with a consciousness that is
> limited to 7+-2 bits of attention.
>
> You need to use different processing systems within yourself to do
> that. Which need to be online. Which need to have contact with
> your conscious awareness or else you'd be doing
> god-alone-knows-what.
>
> See what I mean about NOT doing this until you have at least SOME
> working systems of your own online?
>
> >
> > And if it's rudimentary, it means there's something
> > better and to
> > tell that means "to me" that you experienced it. Can
> > you describe
> > your experience of this something better?
>
> Right. In brief, constructs and their trapped and disabled
> consciousness bits plus all they've been up to, by themselves and
> all of them forwards and backwards thru time as we know it, have
> caused SERIOUS DISTURBANCES and entirely needless fuck ups in what
> is a natural, organic, beautifully complex and infinitely subtle
> system.
>
> And although construct-driven magicians can absolutely interefere
> with these systems, and indeed create change, and most noticeably
> so, the change they create is really more of yet another
> disturbance than a resolution of any kind.
>
> Which is why I am delaying me (us?) and keep me away from the
> temptation of doing this now, which can only be yet another big
> time fuckup - how could it be anything else? There is NO way I
> could construct a symbol in clarity and flow at this point, it
> would be a distorted mess and no matter how good my attentions
> might be.
>
> One of the reasons I called RBs systems "rudimentary" is because
> he is working AROUND some very serious structural problems, best
> he can, which, if they were resolved FIRST, would make matters
> very much easier, faster, speedier, nicer, more ecological and all
> the rest of the improvements.
>
> One of the reasons that RB isn't generally acknowledged by the
> entire human race as the saviour and the prophet is that his
> system doesn't feel altogether right - its slightly off in some
> way. People then try and find some reason to explain this strange
> sense of "not quite comfortable" to make sense of it, like
> questioning his morals or disliking him for whatever reason, but
> the flaw lies in the system.
>
> I am a HUGE believer in people's instincts, underlying recognition
> of things that are as they should be. All those years - millennia
> upon millennia! - hasn't driven it out of us. It's difficult to
> explain in words but I've had experiences of things that were
> simply right, and its extraordinary how people really just accept
> them when they are. There is virtually no resistance to it. This
> principle of "no resistance" is something I try to adher to and my
> newer things, try-out techniques are gathering less and less
> resistance from a wider and wider range of people who they are
> being presented to.
>
> Reason that they are not being resisted is because they fit - they
> fit logic, they fit someone's life experiences, their
> observations, their very own evidence, and more than that, they
> fit historical patterns, old, overarching patterns and so forth.
>
> When I have something like that, I know I've struck gold and I
> have something *real* on my hands at last, so that non-resistance
> response becomes a guidance mechanism.
>
> I'm not saying here that I have managed to make a self help
> technique out of these things yet but its work in progress.
>
> So and to come back to the question, yes there is something
> better.
>
> There is a kind of "thing" that people will innately accept, no
> matter whether they are semi-autistic computer programmers with a
> Harvard degree or the lowliest alcohol riddled street person, a
> holistic healer or a farmer from Peru.
>
> That represents a class of human experiences we don't yet have at
> all, but of which Bandler's attempts at teaching and changing
> people are a *rudimentary* and *experimental* version that is very
> much a guiding light and a call to action for us all - look, this
> is what I can do with my limitations, there is more out there, a
> whole lot more.
>
> I don't mean the term rudimentary in the slightest little bit
> derogative because to have made this rudimentary first effort is -
> absolutely mindblowing, something worthy of the party of all
> parties, all of us bringing out the champagne and carrying the guy
> on our shoulders and showering his construct with gratitude for
> the rest of his life.
>
> Yet at the same time as I celebrate his achievement I KNOW its
> only 5% or less of what there WILL be. And that is very exciting,
> indeed. My motivation to do what I'm doing.
>
>
> >
> > I ask because in your e-books, you often make reference
> > to High Magic
> > or something like it's really powerful, but no details
> > (I think). It
> > helps me buy more stuff, now I'm curious, do you think
> > you will ever
> > release what you seem to know about High Magic (or
> > advanced energy
> > manipulations) in the furture or it's something you
> > believe people
> > should discover by themselves? (or I'm off track with all that).
>
> Actually, I'm pleased to be answering these questions on record.
> Gives me a chance to clear up a thing or two.
>
> Indeed, there are a few sad individuals in High Magic across the
> times of humanity who have held back key power insights because
> they wanted to keep it all to themselves.
>
> But mostly, and this is certainly the case for me, the reason I'm
> not publicising some of my "High Magic" material is because it
> would simply be a very, very bad thing for all concerned if folk
> started to do this who have NOT got their own energy systems in
> order.
>
> Bandler, Crowley and I, at least, BURNED OURSELVES nearly to death
> with this stuff and learned our lessons the hard way; we might be
> a bunch of bastards but still what we went through we wouldn't
> want to inflict on our own worst enemies.
>
> It really is as simple as that.
>
> We did it the wrong way and we know better now.
>
> I, personally, then set out to construct backwards a more
> ecological pathway and to put in position what you would have
> needed to weather the whole deal without blowing yourselves to
> pieces. (I think all the others did too, and all across the ages,
> at that, best they knew how to).
>
> Oceans is called, The Patterns of EmoTrance, Vol. 1. This
> presupposes the existence of at least Vol. 2, which is coming into
> existence even as we speak :-) - it's called, Fields of Stars and
> will deal with the wider energy body and get into interactivity
> there - and that of course includes reality creation 101.
>
> I keep saying it and saying it and no-one seems to be listening:
> You go into the causal planes, raise your consciousness like a
> glistening brightwhite sword and the hand that holds it is that of
> a ragingly angry, terrified, overwhelmed, powerhungry, unloved,
> avenging, hatefilled, tortured, injured, splintered and basically
> totally *insane* construct - and what are you doing but spewing
> yet more bile all over creation?
>
> Does it need any more of that?
>
> I think not.
>
> And of course, what happens to the magician?
>
> Need I say? Go look and just know!
>
> Not practical, not logical and most of all, not necessary.
>
> So yes, I work on patterns of High Magic.
>
> Yes, I can't bloody wait to use them again AND share them with
> others, because there are some patterns you need groups for and
> you cannot do them by yourself!
>
> And no, I'm not going to touch them with a bargepole until and
> unless I am satisfied in all ways that I'm safe with them, this
> time around.
>
> And I guarantee you that your so-called "self destructive" parts
> are having a party as they're hearing me say this because they
> bloody well knew this all along - LOL!
>
> > Anyway, really curious and more and more. I guess
> > that's what happens
> > with vague hypnotic descriptions of wonderful magical
> > stuff that we
> > can do and... :)
> >
> > Magickman
>
> I can assure you this slow unfoldment is not and never has been a
> sales technique but more of a common sense survival approach.
>
> I can further assure you that this is not an elitist situation and
> if you muscle test, please ask yourself if you're ready for High
> Magic yet. If you know what I mean.
>
> People-constructs are fucking desperate and they are desperate for
> short cuts, will do *anything* to get out of the nightmare of
> never ending meaninglessness, lovelessness, purposelessness - even
> if the price is so high, you could even call it selling your soul
> to the devil.
>
> It's a sad thing, indeed.
>
> Let's see if we can do better than this, each one for themselves,
> a step at a time, gently and easily, as it is supposed to be,
> yeah?
>
> multi-frequency waves
>
> SF
>
>
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Received on Wed Jun 11 2003 - 06:29:32 BST