RE: [ET2] Re: EmoTrance is Psychobabble?

Hi Blaine

If your email was for me - I couldn't get enough handle on the problem of not being able to do a reliable self muscle test in order to use ET. I don't really get a definable feeling about this, just doubt in its accuracy with me. I can only do ET with myself when I feel a clear feeling and am actually in the situation; though it works very well with my clients. I have actually done a muscle test on a couple of clients and it seemed accurate, but I wouldn't trust that I could use it many times in one session.

At the moment I am investigating a lot of meridian therapies and mixing and matching a bit, generally to good effect. Stephen gave me the idea to use WHEE (the butterfly hug version) with TAT statements and I this has worked for me, and some clients. I have in fact ordered the BSFF book from the States and thank you for your tip about repeating the cue word three times. I will continue with experimenting.

Regards, Julie
 

To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
From: treehugger1946_at_yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:46:19 +0000
Subject: [ET2] Re: EmoTrance is Psychobabble?

If I remember right, in his training videos Dr. Nims says that if you don't have muscle testing or don't want to use it, just have them repeat the cue word three times. He said he's almost never found anything that wasn't cleared after saying it three times.

I found the BSFF videos a lot more useful than the book, although I think he recommends reading the book before watching. I don't know what the Meridian Energy Therapist course teaches on BSFF.

If you use a SUD and the person can't come up with a number from their head there are lots of ways to do SUDS like holding the hands apart, using colors or the old one of "show me how hard you want to pound on this now" if you have something soft and unbreakable for them to pound on.

I hesitate to ask, but have you treated yourself with ET for your muscle testing problems?

wishing you all the best
Blaine

--- In emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com, M J Nelson <egroups@...> wrote:
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> When I worked with someone who does BSFF, he did quite a bit of energy
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> I like to think of it as energy testing rather than making it a "muscle
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> I think ET is more effective than BSFF although we are different.
> Mary
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> Julie de Burgh wrote:
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> > Thanks for your information - that makes sense. About BSFF, I have thought of getting the BSFF book, but am not sure if you have to do muscle testing, which I am no good at. Could you please let me know if I can use BSFF with myself and clients without muscle testing?
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> > Regards, Julie
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> > To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
> > From: gloriacoleman953612000@...
> > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:00:10 -0800
> > Subject: RE: [ET2] Re: EmoTrance is Psychobabble?
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> > Hi Julie,
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> > Indeed the debate has become a cat herding session.
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> > Using the WHEE butterfly hug tapping along with Tapas' affirmations works beautifully. At the end of the session everything that has been worked on can be bundled together to make sure everybody and everything has been forgiven.
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> > The cross tapping back and forth stimulates both sides of the brain the conscious and unconscious to act on the affirmation. As far as I know nobody has been able to prove this, but I find this explanation is better accepted by skeptical patients.
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> > These methods including TAT all have one thing in common, the intent of the tapping, hand positions, etc. signal the subconscious to act.
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> > And what is Emotrance? Pure intent.
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> > Personally I find that BSFF combined with Emotrance is most effective. BSFF uses no hand positions or tapping at all. ( The videos show tapping, but it is no longer used). A simple cue word is used to signal intent to the subconscious to act and it is fast, simple and thorough.
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> > Sincerely,
> > Stephen
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> > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Julie de Burgh <julie@...> wrote:
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> > From: Julie de Burgh <julie@...>
> > Subject: RE: [ET2] Re: EmoTrance is Psychobabble?
> > To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:05 AM
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> > Hi Stephen
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> > I'm interested in how you combine TAT and WHEE (both of which I have studied with the respective originators) ? The TAT hands position does not seem to combine easily with the WHEE tapping, please could you let me know how you use these together? As you probably know from earlier posts, I use Robert Smith's Faster EFT tapping routine with ET and feel it really speeds the process up.
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> > Would you have any ideas on how these therapies stimulate both hemispheres of the brain to work in a coordinated manner and release trauma? I look on the "energy" model as just a model rather than an actual reality - a bit like dark matter and energy, and in fact the painful feelings can be described as "stuck emotions" with more sceptical clients. There is a huge very interesting debate going on about ET after the article in Times Higher Education about ET being taught in a school which has rather got caught up in this very point instead of focussing on the actual observable positive effects of the technique.
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> > Regards, Julie
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> > To: emotrance2_at_yahoogro ups.com
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> > From: gloriacoleman953612 000_at_yahoo. com
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> > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:48:31 -0800
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> > Subject: Re: [ET2] Re: EmoTrance is Psychobabble?
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> > Hi Julie,
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> > I purposely do not distinguish between EMDR and other "energy" therapies.
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> > Other modalities such as TAT, WHEE, TFT and some others are quite formal and require some practice. To become certified in EMDR last time I checked it requires only a weekend or two workshops and a degree in psychology of some sort.
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> > EMDR is simple and elegant, no rocket science required. Its results are uncontested by everybody that has used it properly.
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> > All these therapies do the same thing and work with the same principle. The tapping, hand positions, the eye movements stimulate both hemispheres of the brain to work in a coordinated manner and thus allow release of traumas major and minor very quickly.
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> > My personal experience with patients is EMDR brings about miracles, EFT works better and is faster. TAT is even better. Combining TAT with WHEE is amazing. Emotrance is in a class of its own, bypassing the conscious mind enableing the client to make large shifts quickly.
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> > As an acupuncturist I clearly cannot buy the explainations of meridians or acupuncture points relasing "energy". This led me to the discovery that all these modalities are nothing but different ways of working with the same underlying principle.
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> > We all may have our favorite therapy, some of us simply work better with one modality over another.
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> > Stephen
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> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, ju1iedeb <ju1iedeb_at_yahoo. co.uk> wrote:
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> > From: ju1iedeb <ju1iedeb_at_yahoo. .co.uk>
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> > Subject: [ET2] Re: EmoTrance is Psychobabble?
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> > To: emotrance2_at_yahoogro ups.com
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> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:25 PM
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> > Hi Stephen
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> > For the sake of accuracy I think you will find that the practitioners of EMDR do not class it as an energy therapy. In fact its full name (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) hints at the precision and formality of the technique.
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> > Regards, Julie
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> > --- In emotrance2_at_yahoogro ups.com, Gloria Coleman <gloriacoleman95361 2000@> wrote:
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> >> For nearly a century, psychology as moved at less than a snails pace. Patients can go through therapy for years and gain important insights into their mental health. However, they continue in therapy with little evident change.
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> >> My first contact with "energy therapies" was with EMDR and the results I saw were amazing. Patients were overcoming blocks that therapy has been unable to change. These changes comes very quickly, a few sessions can accomplish more than many years of sitting in a psychotherapist' s office.
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> >> Being used to dragging the loaded sleigh and seeing very little progress in their professions, EMDR, EFT, TAT, and Emotrance must seem bizarre, woo woo, or something to attack at all costs.
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> >> The critics are the ones that have never tried to use an "energy therapy". What "science" misses, the little children clearly see.
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