Re: [ET2] maybe off topic

I agree, powerful beliefs help as I've experienced the difference
with my clients first end. At the end, it wasn't even about the
techniques, but about both our beliefs pointing in the desired
direction congruently...

>From what I learned, we can learn without identifying enough to get
polio, or use ET and get it in and out.

I'm starting to get wonderful results with metaphor and langage, but
not as consistent as I want it to be...

Bandler sure got much from Erickson. He still talks about him all
those years later.

As for people not liking him, I have met a few and I have met people
who were afraid of him. I was at the beginning (he wore black nail
polish when I did my first training with him). Now, I am not afraid
of him. I'm still wondering how he does some of his stuuf, but the
fear is gone after a couple tranings. Maybe he installs it. I sure
noticed that in one training.

Anyway, he's still a human being, unique (and sometimes weird to me)
and at the end of the day, he still has to eat, piss and sleep!

Magickman

--- In emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com, dpfordham_at_a... wrote:
> Hello Magickman,
>
> I'm quite new to the group and I haven't replied to anything you've
written
> until now. I've just seen an e-mail come through from Tim and he's
right about
> John Grinder when he was preparing for his modelling work with
Milton
> Erickson, largely because of Erickson's polio.
>
> Bandler has incredibly strong beliefs in his own abilities and this
> undoubtedly adds to the impact he has as a trainer. He is also a
master of story
> telling and metaphors, and the use of language. Erickson was a
huge influence on
> him and it was his skill in gaining rapport with clients, together
with the
> hypnotic language patterns which he developed, which made him such
an effective
> and influential hypnotherapist. Although I've seen Bandler on
video many
> times, I've only seen him in person once, about ten years ago when
he was the guest
> speaker at an NLP group. One of the many things I remember was the
almost
> reverential way he talked about Erickson and the incredible results
he got with
> clients.
>
> So, that may account for some of the impact that Bandler has as a
trainer.
> Erickson's work was mainly at the unconscious level and without his
clients
> being aware what was going on. He would tell an artfully vague
story and let the
> client make up their own meaning, one which helped them to heal
themselves at
> a deep level. Bandler no doubt uses much of what he has learned
from
> Erickson in his trainings.
>
> However, I have met more than a few people who don't like Bandler
at all.
> Some even find him frightening. Whether you like him or not there
is no doubt
> he is incredibly skilled although whether anyone could model what
he does
> without picking up some of the other bits must be questionable.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

           
Received on Mon Jun 09 2003 - 07:28:00 BST