Re: [ET2] Digest Number 81

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>Date: 14 Feb 2003 10:20:08 -0000
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>There are 12 messages in this issue.
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>Topics in this digest:
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> 1. RE: ET and Tachyon
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
> 2. Re: Overcoming Dissociation
> From: "letuslook <letuslook_at_miFsASGvZcVe8Iorlfd8XL-Hao73zOLKtDhmYhhCiVSDZVD6wzDzNKsPAtZruQ_CSbN3muyXuTybGgw.yahoo.invalid>" <letuslook_at_miFsASGvZcVe8Iorlfd8XL-Hao73zOLKtDhmYhhCiVSDZVD6wzDzNKsPAtZruQ_CSbN3muyXuTybGgw.yahoo.invalid>
> 3. Re: ET and Tachyon
> From: brian connelly <brc17_at_9Ws09U8oyZFWkjniSxh7JUpqB2035TNqyTALynyaRV-JM-pC6zg8XtKDSJZHzOHUclvn3y.yahoo.invalid>
> 4. Re: ET & Releasing (Sedona Method)
> From: "Tom Sorevik" <soerevik_at_jmY1mFsOk5aWmeTKUNTOIl3bbxKV5pdm3xiUjiNS9tebmuO3tR8pqcPUiSwAHpYaxvH.yahoo.invalid>
> 5. RE: ET and Tachyon
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
> 6. RE: Re: Overcoming Dissociation
> From: "Dod" <mandod_at_i8udhsVG_gNM62dflwzV2lrx9i9ZA_iyLncVdRXUJGjF3s5Qk8k4OiGCvHmxNivVSnJRhJctvGsGHX_E.yahoo.invalid>
> 7. RE: Re: Overcoming Dissociation
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
> 8. Re: ET and Tachyon
> From: brian connelly <brc17_at_9Ws09U8oyZFWkjniSxh7JUpqB2035TNqyTALynyaRV-JM-pC6zg8XtKDSJZHzOHUclvn3y.yahoo.invalid>
> 9. Tr: Tr: LeDoux' dual pathway
> From: "maalberse" <maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid>
> 10. LeDoux' dual pathway
> From: "maalberse" <maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid>
> 11. Re: ET and Tachyon
> From: "maalberse" <maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid>
> 12. RE: ET and Tachyon
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
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>Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:19:51 -0000
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: RE: ET and Tachyon
>
>
> >
> > Again, no muddy waters for me!
> >
> > Brian :)
> >
>
>Brian, don't knock it until you've tried it. Simple as that. Else
>you will be no scientist and no better than "they" are who tell us
>sternly that there is no energy body and all we do with EFT, ET,
>TAT, BSFF et al is just placebo.
>
>SF
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:25:43 -0000
> From: "letuslook <letuslook_at_miFsASGvZcVe8Iorlfd8XL-Hao73zOLKtDhmYhhCiVSDZVD6wzDzNKsPAtZruQ_CSbN3muyXuTybGgw.yahoo.invalid>" <letuslook_at_miFsASGvZcVe8Iorlfd8XL-Hao73zOLKtDhmYhhCiVSDZVD6wzDzNKsPAtZruQ_CSbN3muyXuTybGgw.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: Re: Overcoming Dissociation
>
> > I've also got some specific drills for other approaches of
>bypassing
> > dissociation, but I'm asking for the author's permission before
> > sharing them here. It's from an awesome NLP trainer who couldn't
> > apply NLP and hypnosis to himself, until he learned to associate.
> >
> > Burton
> >
>
>==========
>As promised, here's the reprint of the drill for overcoming
>dissociation from Dr. John La Tourrette. He posted it on his own
>list, post #1975:
>==========
>
> > "easy" it is to help someone else, while it is
> > "hard" to experience myself the things I can have someone else
>experience!
>
>Sure. I suffer from the same DISSOCIATION myself, and it took me
>years
>to "learn" that was me doing all the drills in hypnosis dissociated,
>so they didn't work for me...I was doing all the drills in NLP
>dissociated, so they didn't work for me...on and on.
>
>Then I consciously learned how to associate, bam!...now all the
>drills
>worked.
>
>It wasn't the drill's fault, it was my lact of calibrating my own
>state that cause me my problems back then....probably one of the
>reasons I'm such a good trainer now. I've made every mistake in the
>book. (and I still make a bunch daily. Do NOT model me in the
>kitchen.)
>
> > In other words: what the fuck can be wrong with me?
> > Any hint WILL be appreciated!
>
>Sure, you are a dissociated psychopath and would make a great "hit
>man". LOL. You just missed your true calling.
>
>Just kidding.
>
>I learned to associate by anchoring. I'd sit in a restaurant and
>smell
>the smells, and while focusing on those smells, I'd anchor them. Then
>I'd walk outside and trigger the anchor. And I kept on doing that
>drill until it worked. It took awhile.
>
>Then I did it with external vision...then with internal vision...then
>with external auditory...then with internal auditory...then with
>viscerals... with propioceptives...with different emotions...and I
>kept doing the damn drills with myself until they worked. And it did
>take a while. A couple of years in fact...because I was a dissociated
>psychopatic with Skiz tendencies.
>
>And those emotion drills...the only ones I could access back in the
>early 80's was "anger", and "kill the mother fucker!"
>
>Love, joy, humor, etc, I was totally dissociated from. Remember, it
>took me a couple of years.
>
>It was real funny how Steve Andreas and Connierae kept sending
>trainers to me (and I was supposed to be to stupid to notice) to
>reverse my pananoia...so I got a bunch of free lunches out of the
>deal.
>
>Hell, Time Line did NOT work for me either, and that is a dissociated
>process. But since I was already dissociated I could not calibrate
>any
>differences...and the things they kept going back to fix, ie, fear,
>trauma, rejection...those things did not exist for me because I was
>in
>that detached state going through life.
>
>So I didn't use to believe in time lines either.
>
>Again, it was MY lack of calibration skills, and NOT the lack of a
>proper drills. I do wonder why no trainer ever pointed THAT out to me.
>
>Then again, maybe they did (probably true) and I just rejected the
>data because it did not match my internal idenity and values...then.
>
>I also drank much 151 Bacarde, and a few other brands of like
>flamability.
>
>So, enjoy the process.
>
> > Thanks again Doc!
>
>You are welcome.
>Doc
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:26:35 -0800
> From: brian connelly <brc17_at_9Ws09U8oyZFWkjniSxh7JUpqB2035TNqyTALynyaRV-JM-pC6zg8XtKDSJZHzOHUclvn3y.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: Re: ET and Tachyon
>
>Well, I tried to be as gentle as I could.
>
>Tachyon is a beautiful sales "buzz" word (and a beautiful word)
>just as "Quantum" is very often abused to lend a scientific ring
>to this or that theory. For example, I had an idea for a best selling
>book called "The Quantum Diet Plan".......one moves between the
>+1 and -1 quantum states by alternating between eating one day
>and puking the next.
>
>The point that I made before is that we do not NEED to use
>inapplicable concepts from science to lend authenticity to
>what we do.......... we already have a perfectly real science
>in the empirical observations that we make in ET, etc.
>
>Brian :)
>
>On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:19:51 -0000
>"StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Brian, don't knock it until you've tried it. Simple as that. Else
> > you will be no scientist and no better than "they" are who tell us
> > sternly that there is no energy body and all we do with EFT, ET,
> > TAT, BSFF et al is just placebo.
> >
> > SF
>
>Brian R. Connelly, LMHC < brc17_at_9Ws09U8oyZFWkjniSxh7JUpqB2035TNqyTALynyaRV-JM-pC6zg8XtKDSJZHzOHUclvn3y.yahoo.invalid >
>Licensed Counselor & Therapist, Topsfield, MA
>Emotional Freedom & Healing at:
>< http://home.attbi.com/~brc17/ >
>
>
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>Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:16:44 +0100
> From: "Tom Sorevik" <soerevik_at_jmY1mFsOk5aWmeTKUNTOIl3bbxKV5pdm3xiUjiNS9tebmuO3tR8pqcPUiSwAHpYaxvH.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: Re: ET & Releasing (Sedona Method)
>
>Hi maarten and everyone
>I have to agree with maaarten on that some of ET technologi has been
>presented before . In fact in the water tradition in Taoist meditaton
>almost identical methods has been used for more than 2000 years.A few
>differenses though, one being that every blockage is dissolved by the mind
>only,and that emphasis is to release the energy out beyond the etheric
>body. At later stages
>the energy is released inward to inner space which is said to be as big as
>the whole universe(black hole?) However ET`s excellent approches-assisting
>and softening with hands/ghost hands and angles to dealing with problems is
>extremely effective
>and has helped speeding up progression. And a lot easier to learn.
>Thank you Silvia
>
>----- Original Message -----
> From: maalberse
> To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:23 AM
> Subject: Tr: [ET2] ET & Releasing (Sedona Method)
>
>
> <<I have thought about this because people will keep saying ET is like
>this or that.>>
>
> Maybe I will be lynched for this, but I have to say that to a large
>extent some of this is right, in a way. Closed-mindedness (and
>competiveness) probably plays a role, frequently. But I believe that these
>comments cannot be reduced to just narrowmindedness.
>
> I have been very intensely involved with a wide range of
>energy-and-movement based methods for some thirty years, so I do believe I
>can say something about this.
> Almost all elements of ET have been mentioned and practiced here and
>there. Really.
>
> What I say to people, when they mention the similarities:
> 1) For me, ET is to the other energy-methods bundled together, what
>early NLP was to gestalt-therapy. I really believe this is a fair
>comparison.
>
> It is also a real compliment to Silvia. For me, as a gestalt (and
>biodynamic) therapist at the time, the "Structure of Magic" did a great job
>in cutting out the crap and wonderfully organizing the treasures that, in a
>poorly organized way, *already existed*.
> And I feel Silvia has done the same, in the energy-field.
>
> 2) The major difference between ET and (almost?) all other
>energy-sytems, - and a HUGE one!- is that ET doesn't work with a
>prefabricated map. I agree that assuming that maps, coming from very
>different cultures, can't be assumed to be appropriate for us, in our
>times.
>
> For creating a model that frees us from limiting maps (and what a
>liberation that is!), I take my hat off for Silvia, and possibly so for the
>rest of my life.
>
>
> The main reason why I bring this up: *not* to be polemical, but simply
>because I have found that highlighting the differences and obscuring the
>similarities is counter-productive.
> I believe that, if ET is to find a wider recognition, both similarities
>and differences need to be honored.
> At least, that's what I have found to work best in order to really get
>the interest of people who know something about energy-work. It's also more
>honest, IMO.
>
> I post this out of love for ET, and from my desire that it spreads far
>and wide.
>
> Maarten
>
>
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>Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:07:35 -0000
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: RE: ET and Tachyon
>
>
> > Well, I tried to be as gentle as I could.
>
>Gentle about something you have no personal experience with, let
>us remain clear.
>
> >
> > Tachyon is a beautiful sales "buzz" word (and a beautiful word)
> > just as "Quantum" is very often abused to lend a scientific ring
> > to this or that theory. For example, I had an idea for
> > a best selling
> > book called "The Quantum Diet Plan".......one moves between the
> > +1 and -1 quantum states by alternating between eating one day
> > and puking the next.
> >
> > The point that I made before is that we do not NEED to use
> > inapplicable concepts from science to lend authenticity to
> > what we do.......... we already have a perfectly real science
> > in the empirical observations that we make in ET, etc.
> >
> > Brian :)
> >
>
>"Oceans of Energy" is a beautiful sales word too and it so
>happens, it works. I am an intelligent person who has spend her
>life amidst muggles who are deliberately blind to things they do
>not wish to understand, lest it would threaten their fragile
>cocoons of illusion, to quote Aziluth from the Sid list.
>
>So I have cautiously woven together a "believable" framework for
>that which I understand and I never talk about the things which
>would cause the "inapplicable concepts" response in people unless
>I am in front of a certain filtered audience, and even then I hold
>back most of it to be on the safe side.
>
>That the Tachyon theory is untenable or flawed is not under
>discussion here.
>
>The sales strategies of the people producing a variety of Tachyon
>products and their prices is not under discussion here.
>
>What *is* important and interesting is for *each one single
>individual* to find out for themselves if it works for them, what
>it does, what it feels like, what they can learn about the world
>in the process of exploring it.
>
>I am no fool. I have two tachyon cells which I purchased for
>experimental purposes a very long time ago (1996, I believe, at
>Horam :-) and one which was a present.
>
>I don't know what they do or how they make them; this is
>immaterial. As is to me what bizarre semi-scientific explanations
>people give.
>
>TFT has this strange universe behind its functioning but the
>tapping works.
>
>Tachyon cells are what they are.
>
>Neither can be known by saying, "Oh it is just nonsense, crazy and
>sucks."
>
>Bored now with topic
>
>SF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:09:54 -0000
> From: "Dod" <mandod_at_i8udhsVG_gNM62dflwzV2lrx9i9ZA_iyLncVdRXUJGjF3s5Qk8k4OiGCvHmxNivVSnJRhJctvGsGHX_E.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: RE: Re: Overcoming Dissociation
>
>Burton,
>
>Thanks for the post.
>
>Anchoring always seeded a bit too Pavlovian for me. It sort of worked,
>though. Before it wore off .
>
>I certainly didn't keep it up for a couple of years, though; nor with
>the recommended thoroughness.
>
>I'm beginning to understand why my first girlfriend said she didn't much
>like the 'observer' she foresaw I was going to turn into!
>
>Nicholas
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: letuslook <letuslook_at_miFsASGvZcVe8Iorlfd8XL-Hao73zOLKtDhmYhhCiVSDZVD6wzDzNKsPAtZruQ_CSbN3muyXuTybGgw.yahoo.invalid> [mailto:letuslook_at_miFsASGvZcVe8Iorlfd8XL-Hao73zOLKtDhmYhhCiVSDZVD6wzDzNKsPAtZruQ_CSbN3muyXuTybGgw.yahoo.invalid]
>Sent: 13 February 2003 14:26
>To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ET2] Re: Overcoming Dissociation
>
> > I've also got some specific drills for other approaches of
>bypassing
> > dissociation, but I'm asking for the author's permission before
> > sharing them here. It's from an awesome NLP trainer who couldn't
> > apply NLP and hypnosis to himself, until he learned to associate.
> >
> > Burton
> >
>
>==========
>As promised, here's the reprint of the drill for overcoming
>dissociation from Dr. John La Tourrette. He posted it on his own
>list, post #1975:
>==========
>
> > "easy" it is to help someone else, while it is
> > "hard" to experience myself the things I can have someone else
>experience!
>
>Sure. I suffer from the same DISSOCIATION myself, and it took me
>years
>to "learn" that was me doing all the drills in hypnosis dissociated,
>so they didn't work for me...I was doing all the drills in NLP
>dissociated, so they didn't work for me...on and on.
>
>Then I consciously learned how to associate, bam!...now all the
>drills
>worked.
>
>It wasn't the drill's fault, it was my lact of calibrating my own
>state that cause me my problems back then....probably one of the
>reasons I'm such a good trainer now. I've made every mistake in the
>book. (and I still make a bunch daily. Do NOT model me in the
>kitchen.)
>
> > In other words: what the fuck can be wrong with me?
> > Any hint WILL be appreciated!
>
>Sure, you are a dissociated psychopath and would make a great "hit
>man". LOL. You just missed your true calling.
>
>Just kidding.
>
>I learned to associate by anchoring. I'd sit in a restaurant and
>smell
>the smells, and while focusing on those smells, I'd anchor them. Then
>I'd walk outside and trigger the anchor. And I kept on doing that
>drill until it worked. It took awhile.
>
>Then I did it with external vision...then with internal vision...then
>with external auditory...then with internal auditory...then with
>viscerals... with propioceptives...with different emotions...and I
>kept doing the damn drills with myself until they worked. And it did
>take a while. A couple of years in fact...because I was a dissociated
>psychopatic with Skiz tendencies.
>
>And those emotion drills...the only ones I could access back in the
>early 80's was "anger", and "kill the mother fucker!"
>
>Love, joy, humor, etc, I was totally dissociated from. Remember, it
>took me a couple of years.
>
>It was real funny how Steve Andreas and Connierae kept sending
>trainers to me (and I was supposed to be to stupid to notice) to
>reverse my pananoia...so I got a bunch of free lunches out of the
>deal.
>
>Hell, Time Line did NOT work for me either, and that is a dissociated
>process. But since I was already dissociated I could not calibrate
>any
>differences...and the things they kept going back to fix, ie, fear,
>trauma, rejection...those things did not exist for me because I was
>in
>that detached state going through life.
>
>So I didn't use to believe in time lines either.
>
>Again, it was MY lack of calibration skills, and NOT the lack of a
>proper drills. I do wonder why no trainer ever pointed THAT out to me.
>
>Then again, maybe they did (probably true) and I just rejected the
>data because it did not match my internal idenity and values...then.
>
>I also drank much 151 Bacarde, and a few other brands of like
>flamability.
>
>So, enjoy the process.
>
> > Thanks again Doc!
>
>You are welcome.
>Doc
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:39:06 -0000
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: RE: Re: Overcoming Dissociation
>
>
> > > In other words: what the fuck can be wrong with me?
> > > Any hint WILL be appreciated!
> >
> > Sure, you are a dissociated psychopath and would make a
> > great "hit
> > man". LOL. You just missed your true calling.
> >
> > Just kidding.
>
>Squeak! Hahahaha ... ah lovely to see that re-post.
>
>Might be nice to make a collection of techniques to re-associate a
>non-associated person so that they can join the association of
>EmoTrancers (and hypnosis learners, and Reiki recipients, and EFT
>afficionados ... LOL)
>
>So far we had:
>
>1. Swimming with dolphins
>2. Doing ET work on "shields to incoming energies"
>3. Anchoring existing body sensations and learning to re-access
>these at will.
>
>Of the top of my head, amongst other things I have heard about
>that they have worked in some cases are:
>
>4. Donna Eden's energy drills, especially the bilateral ones like
>cross crawl but all of them really.
>5. Tapping LOADS with EFT until something starts to stir (I hear
>that also helps with perseverance and a will to change).
>6. Drug therapy such as ecstacy and amphetamines in *controlled
>dosages*. (Knockout dosages and LSD/Shamanic drugs are too
>dangerous/unpredictable for someone who has been disassociated for
>a long time and no experience built up in how to deal with freaky
>shit (technical term))
>7. Acting. This might be related to Doc's thing of finding certain
>states and learning to re-access them safely and at will. That can
>soften the systems which are holding the disassociation in place.
>8. Body Stuff. Massages, tantric massages, karate, yoga, obstacle
>courses, juggling, tightrope walking, dancing, and sex. If done
>regularly, does wonders for the overall system in re-connection
>and alignment. So I'm told...
>
>
>Then there is 9. Epiphany, near death experience, sun-dance,
>severe trauma. But we'll leave those for now. I am sure there are
>many better ways.
>
>
>Let's add some more, make a good list to send to those who want
>help with not feeling anything so they have really something to
>get going with.
>
>SF
>
>
>======================
>
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:35:04 -0800
> From: brian connelly <brc17_at_9Ws09U8oyZFWkjniSxh7JUpqB2035TNqyTALynyaRV-JM-pC6zg8XtKDSJZHzOHUclvn3y.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: Re: ET and Tachyon
>
>
>On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:07:35 -0000
>"StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> > Bored now with topic
> >
> > SF
> >
>Me too
>
>BC
>
>
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>Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:46:19 +0100
> From: "maalberse" <maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: Tr: Tr: LeDoux' dual pathway
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><<That, surely, is in so many other words, Anaga's and the Yellow Emperors
>learning with heart first then processing with the head afterwards as the
>right road and *only* road to real knowing, being and doing! >>
>
>Personally, I'm far from sure about this, and want to be careful with
>drawing parallels.
>
>When I speculated about "changing the low road", I am actually thinking
>about a different part of the amygdala being reached, as energetic and
>neuronal pathways are changed through processes like ET.
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>The time difference between LeDoux' low road and high-road is less than a
>tenth of a second. Which means that in less than a tenth of a second
>"head-processing" (i.e. cortical processing) starts...
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>Maarten
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> From: StarFields
> To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:36 PM
> Subject: RE: [ET2] Tr: LeDoux' dual pathway
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> > From: maalberse [mailto:maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid]
> > Sent: 12 February 2003 15:40
> > To: emotrance2_at_yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ET2] Tr: LeDoux' dual pathway
> >
> >
> > apparently this one got lost in cyberspace. So here
> > goes again, slightly rewritten:
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Dear Brian, Gabrielle and all.
> >
> > Here's a very brief summary of LeDoux' "dual pathway"
> > model. He speaks about the low road and the high road
> > (the one that the cognitive therapists use).
> >
> > Both pathways start the same:
> >
> > Information ("energy") -> senses -> sensory thalamus.
> >
> > >From here the "low" (and fast) road goes directly to
> > the amygdala, "allowing information to reach it very
> > quickly, but only with minimal processing".
> >
> > The high road goes first to the cortex (-> more
> > differentiated processing) and *then* to the amygdala.
> >
> > The information of the "high road" can implement or
> > correct the information having first reached the
> > amygdala. For instance by stopping emotional dynamics
> > started already by the "low road".
> >
> > So along this model the cognitivists aren't quite
> > wrong; they just are "too late"; cognitive therapy
> > works to *control* emotional processes that already
> > have started!
> >
> > Does ET change the "low" road?
> >
> > Maarten
> >
>
> That, surely, is in so many other words, Anaga's and the Yellow
> Emperors learning with heart first then processing with the head
> afterwards as the right road and *only* road to real knowing,
> being and doing!
>
> I would say that ET firstly redirects attention to the real road
> and then helps answer that eternal question of, "But HOW do we DO
> THAT???"
>
> I got an email from some health group a few days back with 21 ways
> to happiness.
>
> Each one was along the lines of,
>
> - Learn to forgive
> - Find peace
> - Let go of the past
> - Open up to the universe ...
> etc etc
>
> Great. Sure. Cool. And now back to the question of "HOW????????"
>
> I'm kinda hoping that with ET I've gone *some* way to beginning to
> show a way towards new ways of answering that in a highly
> practical fashion.
>
> Cause we all know what the 101 ways to enlightenment, joy and
> ecstacy are, already, don't we.
>
> SF
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>Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:51:50 +0100
> From: "maalberse" <maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: LeDoux' dual pathway
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>Dear Brian, Gabrielle and all.
>
>Here's a very brief summary of LeDoux' "dual patway" model. He speaks about
>the low road and the high road (the one that the cognitive therapists use)
>
>Information ("energy") -> senses -> sensory thalamus.
>
>>From here the "low" (and fast) road goes directly to the amygdala,
>"allowing information to reach it very quickly, but only with minimal
>processing".
>
>The high road goes first to the cortex (-> more differentiated processing)
>and *then* to the amygdala.
>
>The information of the "high road" can implement or correct the information
>having first reached the amygdala. For instance by stopping emotional
>dynamics started already by the "low road".
>
>So along this model the cognitivists aren't quite wrong; they just are "too
>late"; cognitive therapy works to *control* processes that already have
>started!
>
>Interesting, isn't it?
>
>Maarten
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>Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:07:50 +0100
> From: "maalberse" <maalberse_at_MCuYpv1ed0iU5JhnHV_ZfIGW5vm2_w3V99ISMhEkNOpI9j5DJ8lKPxPgGKbCgZORbFHrldgm0saLDrONSA.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: Re: ET and Tachyon
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><<it's certainly not placebo because for the first year while I was
>investigating I only used it on animals.>>
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>
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>Are you saying that animals don't respond to the beliefs of the persons
>caring for them?
>
>IMO, only if you can say that you didn't have a belief about the effects
>Tachyon, you can say that there wasn't a placebo effect.
>
>Maarten
>
>PS I don't buy much of the official "sceptics" stuff either, but we'd
>better drop the "animal argument", I'd say.
>Callahan made a terrible fool of himself with his arguments that TFT wasn't
>related to placebo (nor, according to him, was the HRV, which is even
>absurder).
>If we want to argue with would-be "rational" sceptics, we'd better come
>with good arguments. Otherwise be'd better ignore them.
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>Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 03:51:18 -0000
> From: "StarFields" <starfields_at_yTjWOqA-RKrJaHzKqZd6zz1R5efUAldnn4kcpBRpy44-LVZejDSAOhJnvXaRzQF8R.yahoo.invalid>
>Subject: RE: ET and Tachyon
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> > > Bored now with topic
> > >
> > > SF
> > >
> > Me too
> >
> > BC
>
>That is indeed excellent.
>
>So now, the rest of us who *would* like to discuss how to use
>Tachyon with ET can get on with this in peace.
>
>Personally, I find my tachyon cell *extremely* helpful in clearing
>blocked channels when working by myself. It is like a lense that
>not only delivers its own contribution but also helps me to focus
>my attention very powerfully.
>
>And no, we don't need any further comments about "Dumbo's magic
>feather", thank you Maarten and Brian. You may trust that I by now
>know the difference of my own energy interventions, states and
>responses to outside sources of incoming energy, however they may
>have been derived.
>
>Anyone who has some practical questions about the protocols and
>usage of tachyon with ET, by all means go right ahead.

so what is the best form of tachyon to use?and what is the best way to use
it?
>
>SF
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